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John Rose was born in about 1782 in Mendlesham, Suffolk. He was the son of Robert Rose and Mary Somes. He had one brother that I know of. I  haven’t discovered any other siblings.

I haven’t been able to find his marriage to his wife, Mary (surname?). Their first child, Esther, was born in about 1806. I’ve not been able to find her birth or baptism record. A son, John, was born in about 1809, then another daughter, Rebecca, in about 1814. There may have been children between those dates who died, but no record found yet. Mary Ann Rose was born in about 1815 or 1816. She was the first I found her baptism record for. Depending on which site you access (familysearch or freereg), she was baptised on 2 June 1815 or 2 June 1816. (I guess they had problems reading the last digit.) Another son, Frederick, was born in 1818. He was baptised on 6 December, but died in February, 1819. The last child I know about was Harriet, baptised on 24 September 1820.

The 1841 census for John and his family is very faint, but I can make out that he was a smith, age 60, Mary, his wife, age 50, then two daughters, Mary (it looks like), and Harriet. Listed with them is someone who appears to be 80 years old with the surname Bent (?). I can’t make out the first name.  If anyone can read it, do let me know.

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Perhaps a mother-in-law? They were living in Mendlesham.

Daughters, Esther and Rebecca, had died in 1828 and 1830 respectively.

Of course, in 1851, it was just John and Mary. John, at age 71, was a farmer and innkeeper. Mary was 61, born in Wetheringsett, Suffolk.

John lived another seven years, and died on 23 July 1858 in Mendlesham.

“ROSE John. Effects under £100 22 January. The will of John Rose late of Mendlesham in the county of Suffolk Blacksmith deceased who died 23 July 1858 at Mendlesham aforesaid was proved at Bury St Edmund’s by the oath of John Rose of Mendlesham aforesaid Farmer the Son and the sole Executor.”  (from probatesearch website)

He was buried on 29 July in Mendlesham.

Mary died four years later, and was buried on 13 March 1862.

Sources: findmypast; familysearch; freereg; probatesearch

Eliza Gooch was likely born about 1809 or 1810. The only record I can find is for a birth on 11 August 1808 at Ipswich, Suffolk, and baptism on 22 April 1810 at Bury St Edmonds (or alternatively Bury St Mary, depending on which website you look at), Suffolk, daughter of William Gooch and Mary Lenny.

However, the announcement of her marriage to Thomas Mudd states that her father was George Gooch, merchant.  Perhaps his name was William George or George William. I have, so far, been unable to find the birth or baptism of an Eliza, daughter of a George.

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If her father was William, she had at least four other siblings, one of which was a girl (and Eliza is George’s only daughter by 1829).  Some more research on George Gooch is needed.

In any case, after marrying Thomas Mudd, Eliza lived at Creeting St Peter on her husband’s farm.  Unfortunately, as I have no real information on the wives of ancestors, Eliza included, I have to concentrate on the children.

Their first child, George Thomas (indicating that yes, her father’s name was George), was baptised in 1830. I don’t have the details yet.  The second child, William Benjamin (perhaps her father was George William) was born in about 1833, but not baptised until 30 June 1837 at Creeting St Peter. Also baptised on that day was a daughter, Susan Elizabeth, who was born in about 1834, and another son, John Marmaduke, born about 1836. The next son, Richard, must have been born after June 1837 because he was baptised on 26 October 1837.  And finally, before the census, Catherine Sarah was born in about April 1841.  She was not baptised until 29 May 1852 (or 1853, again depending on which website you look at).

Mary Ann was born in about 1843 and baptised on the same day as her sister Catherine (this time it’s stated as 1853). The third child to be baptised on the same day (they believed in batch baptisms, this family, and why not if it cost money) was Emily who was born about 1849. This time the year of baptism is stated as 1852, but the same date of 29 May. Someone seems to have had trouble distinguishing a 2 from a 3 (surely it would have been obvious if the entries were in chronological order, having done transcriptions myself).  Just to make matters even more confusing, yet another child was baptised on 29 May “1852”, Edgar Herbert, who, according to census returns, was born in 1853. Thankfully that was the last child and the last batch of baptisms.

The children are all listed on the 1851 census, living in the same place. Edgar had not yet been born.  In 1859 the eldest, George Thomas, married Celia Kerridge, and in 1860 Mary Ann married William Rose. In the 1861 census Thomas was listed with his sons, William and John, and daughters, Catherine and Emily and little Edgar. Eliza and Susan were visiting Mary Ann in Framlingham.  Unfortunately, the fourth son, Richard had died in 1859.

Susan married Isaac Reynolds in 1865. Then in March 1869 George Thomas died before his father (who died in August that year).

Eliza continued running the farm after Thomas died, and in the 1871 census was listed as a farmer of 200 acres employing eight labourers and one boy, so she was obviously doing well. William, Emily, and Edgar were still living with her. Staying with them were three adult nieces, Sarah Anne, Mary Anne, and Jessie Kate Mudd. I don’t know who their parents were. I have found a Sarah Anne and Mary Anne Mudd, daughters of Robert and Mary Ann Mudd, born in Polstead, but have no idea who Robert Mudd is. I can find nothing for Jessie Kate.

Emily married Thomas Cooper in 1872.

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William married quite late in 1876 to Rosa Kerridge.

In 1881, Eliza was still a farmer at Grove Farm, farming 80 acres and employing two men and a boy. Her son, John, was farming the rest, 112 acres, employing three men and a boy. Living with them both was Edgar, age 28. He never married, and I don’t think John did either.

Eliza died, still at the farm, on 3 June 1888.

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Sources: familysearch; findmypast; British newspaper archives; family archives

 

I’m late again with updating. Week 32 will be in a few days.

Thomas Mudd was born on 26 June 1807 in Badley, Suffolk, and baptised on 16 September the same year. His parents were Richard Mudd and Ann Cooper who had 10 children. Thomas, as far as I know, was the third child (and second son).  I think Richard was a farmer.

Thomas was only 18 when he married his first wife, Susannah Maria How, on 19 September 1825 at Haughley, Suffolk. Sadly, she died the following year in Haughley.

It was three more years before the widower, Thomas, married Eliza Gooch on 30 September 1829 in Ipswich.  Their first son, George, was born in 1830 in Creeting St Peter, Suffolk. By the time of the 1841 census the couple had three more boys and two girls, all born at Creeting or Creeting St Peter. In the census the family of six children were living at Creeting St Peter, Thomas a farmer. The youngest, Catherine Sarah, was just two months old.

Only two more children, girls, were born by the 1851 census.  The family were living at Grove Farm. Thomas was a farmer of 112 acres, employing three labourers. All the children were listed so they survived.

In 1861, Thomas was still farming 112 acres at Grove farm, employing six men and one boy. With him are two adult sons, two daughters, and the youngest boy, Edgar, just eight years old. Thomas’ wife and a daughter were visiting a married daughter. (More on the children in the next post.)

In newspaper articles, I found reference to a Thomas Mudd and Frederick Mudd (Thomas’ brother), both farmers, dealing with poachers. However, that Thomas and Frederick are living at Badley and appear to be brothers closer in age than my Thomas and Frederick (who were 20 years apart). That Thomas and Frederick’s parents were William and Ann. They are probably related, Badley being so close to Creeting, but until I’ve done more research, I’ll have to keep the newspaper articles to the side. Confusing.

Thomas didn’t live to the next census. He died on 13 August 1869 at Creeting St Peter, at the age of 62.

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Ipswich Journal, 17 Sep 1870

 

Sources: findmypast; familysearch; British newspaper archives; Google; family archives

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Susannah Ford was born on 1 November 1806 in Mendlesham, Suffolk. She was baptised at St Mary the Virgin church in Mendlesham on 16 November.  Her parents were William Ford and Mary Annis.  She had two brothers and a sister that I know of.

As mentioned in the previous post, Susannah married John Rose in Naughton, Suffolk, on 12 September 1831. Why Naughton, I don’t know.  It’s about a four or five hour walk to the south of Mendlesham.

The following year she gave birth to her first son, William, in Mendlesham.  Two years later her daughter, Rebecca, was born.  Then on 19 August 1837 her second son, John, was born, and third son, Frederick, arrived on 14 January 1840.  All four children were listed on the 1841 census. I do not have a birth or baptism date for Rebecca.

Fourth son, Charles, was born on 22 June 1842, then Henry in 1846 (baptised on 6 August). Finally, another girl, Emma, was born on 30 December 1847.

Again, all children are listed in the 1851 census, with the eldest, William, listed as a miller.  In 1861 only Charles, Henry, and Emma are still with Susannah and John, their ages, 18, 15, and 13.  Where were the others?  Rebecca had married Robert Mallet in 1859 and was living in Stowmarket; William had married in 1860 and was living in Framlingham; John junior was visiting his sister in Stowmarket (and would marry Anna Last, who was also a visitor to the Mallet household, later in the month); I’ve not been able to find where Frederick was.

In 1871 the family were still in Back Street in Mendlesham. Susannah’s sons, Frederick and Charles were living with them, Frederick listed as a farmer’s son (at age 31) and Charles, a miller, was already a widower at age 29.  He had married in 1867 but his wife, Zillah, died just two years later. (They had a daughter, Eva Augusta, who appears to be a “visitor”, age 3, to the Howlett family – an elderly woman and her middle-aged daughter, in Norfolk – very strange.)  Frederick never married.  Emma was visiting her sister, Rebecca, in Braintree, Essex.  Henry, listed as a boatmaker, was living in Mendlesham with his wife, Emma, and baby daughter.  John junior, a miller, was also living in Mendlesham with his new wife, Sarah, and baby son (his first wife, and a son, had died).

I’ve given some details of Susannah’s children as I don’t have much information on her at all.  The children all survived to adulthood which seemed rare compared to other families in my family history.  By the time of her death Susannah would have had up to 25 grandchildren!

Susannah died on 23 November 1879.  Her age was given as 71 but it should have been 73.

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Bury & Norwich Post, 2 December 1879

 

Sources: family archives; familysearch; findmypast; freereg; British newspaper archives

 

Sorry, I’ve fallen behind a bit.  This week should be week 30, which I’ll do in a couple of days to catch up.

John Rose was born about 1809 in Mendlesham, Suffolk (an agricultural town) according to census returns. Unfortunately, I’ve been unable to find his birth or baptism at findmypast, freereg or familysearch. His parents were John and Mary. He had five siblings – four sisters and a younger brother.

I know nothing about John and his family until his marriage to Susannah Ford on 12 September 1831 in Naughton, Suffolk, to the south-west of Mendlesham.

By the 1841 census, the couple had four children.  They were living in Market Street, Mendlesham.  John’s occupation was listed simply as ‘smith’ and in White’s directory of 1844 he is listed as a blacksmith. The couple had three more children by the time of the next census.

By 1851 it appears that John went into partnership with John Foster.  As Foster & Rose they were listed as miller, baker, farmer, employing 2 labourers and farming 18 acres.  John Foster was about the same age as John Rose and lived with the family in Back Street, Mendlesham.  John Rose and John Foster are mentioned in a notice in 1843, so I expect their partnership had started some time before 1851.

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In a newspaper article of 1858, John Rose was mentioned in a case of perjury. It’s a fascinating, and confusing, account of John Rose being seen with Emma Ruffles. John was not present at the trial as his family would not allow him to appear in such a “disgraceful transaction”.

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(Twelve months’ hard labour was “mercy” – we could do with such sentences these days.)

The Foster-Rose partnership continued to 1861 (farmer and miller). In the census only the three youngest children are still living in the same house with their parents and John Foster. The farm was 70 acres and they employed 7 men and 3 boys.

John’s younger son, also named John and a miller, fell into financial trouble in 1863. John snr and John Foster were trustees.

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John still had a blacksmith’s shop, which he put up for lease or sale in 1867.

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In 1868 he brought attention to the state of the public road past his farm.

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Suffolk Chronicle…County Express, 21 March 1868

In 1869 John complained about one of his workers who had absented himself without leave. The scanned article was a little blurry so I have transcribed it:

Norfolk News 06 November 1869

Hartismere Petty Sessions

The Petty Sessions were held on Monday last before the Rev. T. L. French, chairman, the Rev. J. F. Reeve, the Rev. Ch. H. Chevallier, the Rev. C. Frere, and J. D. Hustler, Esq.

Robert Rosler, laborer, was summoned by his master, Mr. John Rose, farmer, Mendlesham, for absenting himself without leave, on 28th September last. A sum of 5s. was claimed as compensation. Defendant said: I am a “little” guilty. – The Chairman: I suppose we must take that as a plea of guilty. – Defendant: I asked Mr. Rose to raise my wages. I went to work on the Monday, but I did not see the complainant that day, and I left him on the Tuesday night. I never let myself for any time. I had 9s. per week. On the previous Saturday I told Mr. Rose I shall not work for him any more unless my wages were raised. He said he could not do so, and I told him I must go where I could get more wages. – Complainant said: Defendant engaged himself to me as my servant at so much per week. On the Saturday previous to his absenting himself he said to me, “I should be much obliged to you if you will raise my wages,” but he did not give me notice that he was about to quit my service. He came again on the Monday and left on the Tuesday. – The Chairman: Defendant having commenced work on the Monday he ought, by right, to have completed his contract. – Defendant: I settled with him on the Saturday night. – The Bench ordered defendant to pay the compensation claimed with 10s. costs or in default fourteen days’ imprisonment. Allowed a fortnight to pay it in.

In 1871 the partnership was still going strong with John Foster living with the family in Back Street.  John Foster is listed as being a miller and baker employing 2 men and 1 boy and John Rose is listed as the farmer of 76 acres employing 3 men and 2 boys.

In 1876 there appears to have been a “New Doomsday” (or domesday) about which I can find nothing. However, the two Johns are listed.

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By 1881 things had changed. John’s wife, Susannah, had died and John’s business partner, John Foster, had also died in 1877.  John was in the Brewer’s Arms on the night of the census with his son, Frederick, who was a master miller.  John was now 70 years old but still a farmer of 107 acres employing 3 men and 1 boy.

John died two years later on 17 May 1883. He was buried on 25 May.

ROSE John. Personal Estate £266 13s 4d 19 July. The will with two codicils of John Rose late of Mendlesham in the county of Suffolk Farmer who died 17 May 1883 at Mendlesham was proved at Bury St Edmonds by Robert James Mallett of Mendlesham Farmer and John Hayward of Stowmarket in the said county Gentleman and John Rose of Burgate in the said county Innkeeper the Son the Executors.

The farm was sold three years later.

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Sources: findmypast; Google; midsuffolk.gov.uk; family archives; British newspaper archive

Gabriel Benjamin Reeve was born in Ipswich, Suffolk on 7 April 1822 to Gabriel Reeve and Hannah Reynolds.  He was the eldest of 10 children (nine of whom were boys).  He was christened privately on 10 April 1822.  Perhaps he was sickly?

Ipswich was a substantial trading settlement.  In the early part of the 19th century its population was about 11,000, rising to almost 33,000 by 1851, so at the time of Gabriel’s birth, there was perhaps a population of between 15,000 and 20,000.  Industries included iron foundries, brick making, breweries, and milling.

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Gabriel’s father was a painter and glazier.  Gabriel B had three brothers called John, born 1826, 1827, and 1833.  The first two died in infancy.  At least three other brothers grew to adulthood and married but I don’t know what happened to the other siblings.

In 1841 Gabriel was living at Coytes Gardens in Ipswich with his parents and three brothers.  He was a tailor’s apprentice.

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Google streetview of Coytes gardens

In 1846 Gabriel married Hannah Wright on 21 September at St Nicholas, Ipswich.  Gabriel was a tailor.  The marriage was witnessed by Gabriel’s brother, Robert, and Hannah’s sister, Maria.

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St Nicholas church, Ipswich

The following  year the couple had their first child, Emma, who, unfortunately, died two years later.  In 1849 the second daughter, Hannah, was born.  Two years later, in February, Sarah was born.

In the 1851 census, Gabriel was a railway clerk, seemingly having given up tailoring.  The family of four lived in Barclay Street in Ipswich.  I can only find an Upper Barclay Street (presumably there was a lower), but there’s nothing there but a carpark and ugly (newer) brick building.  It appears that Sarah died later that year.

Two more daughters were born in 1852 and 1854 (Elizabeth Sarah and Emma Maria).  In 1856 another girl, Mary Eliza, was born, but she died in 1859.  The first son, John Benjamin, was born in 1858 and then another girl, Ruth, in 1861.  In the 1861 census,  however, only four children were listed.  Emma appears to have died also.  Gabriel was listed as an iron foundry clerk.  The family were living in East Street Albion Terrace, the terrace apparently joining East Street to Albion Street (so I’ve been told).  I can’t find it on a map, let along Google streetview.  Three more children were born: Harry Joseph in 1863; Mary Kate in 1866; and Katherine Alice in 1869.

In the 1871 census all the surviving children are listed except for John Benjamin, who would’ve been about 12 years old.  It’s possible he was at a “Hospital school” listed as Benjamin Reeve.  Why he would be there remains a mystery.  Gabriel was listed as a merchant’s clerk.

Ten years later, 1881, Gabriel was listed as a commercial clerk at the iron foundry, as was his son John Benjamin.  The family were living at 9 Orford Street in Ipswich (now a carpark).

I have no more information for Gabriel.  He died in 1890 on 6 September, age 68.

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He was buried on 11 September at Ipswich cemetery.

I was sent a photo of Gabriel by a descendant of Gabriel’s son John Benjamin.  He looks a kindly man.

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Sources: findmypast; localhistories.org; family archives; Google; suffolkchurches.co.uk; probatesearch

Back to Suffolk, where William Rose was born in Mendlesham to John Rose and Susannah Ford.  He was baptised on 11 March 1832 in Mendlesham.  He was the eldest of seven children (as far as I know) and had four brothers and two sisters.

Mendlesham is a small village in mid-Suffolk of a population of about 1,400.  It used to be a market town.  It was mentioned in the Domesday book in 1086 as Melnessam.  I presume therefore that the name is pronounced “Mendlesam” and not with the sh sound as I had previously thought.

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I would suppose that William was baptised in the church of St Mary, which was founded in 1558.

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In 1841 the family of six were living in Market Street.  This is a Google streetview photo of “Old Market Street”, which I assume is the same street.

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No occupation is recorded for William’s father in the 1841 census.

In 1851 the family of nine were listed as living in Back Street, which, apparently, is Old Market Street (parallel to Front Street).  Living with them was John Foster, a business partner of William’s father who was a miller, baker, and farmer.  William was 19 and working as a miller.

By 1860, William had moved to Framlingham to the south-east of Mendlesham.  He married Mary Ann Mudd at Creeting St Peter (to the south-west of Mendlesham) on 3 April 1860.

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The notice below gives a little more information:

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So William was running a steam mill in Framlingham, and married at his fiancée’s home town.  Here’s a map of the region, showing the three towns.

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Framlingham was also a market town (or village) of about 2000 people, mentioned in the Domesday Book.  It even has a 12th century castle, so has an interesting history.

The couple’s first child, Fanny, was born in 1861, before the next census.  William, Mary Ann, and Fanny, were living in Well Close Square in Framlingham.  It appears to be a short, slightly curved street.

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At the time of the census the family had two visitors – Mary Ann’s mother and older sister.  William was indeed a miller employing two men and two boys.  An apprentice and a servant were included in the census.

Between the 1861 census and 1871, the family had moved to London, where William was a publican in Drury Lane, and then to Henley, back in Suffolk.  By then, the couple had had five more children (three of them boys), but a little girl, named after her mother, had died at the age of one in 1869.  In the 1871 census, William was a master miller, employing one man (who was boarding with them), and the family lived in Debenham Road, in the parish of Henley, with one servant.

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St Peters, Henley, where some of Williams children were christened, and one buried

By 1875, the couple had another three children (including another boy).  In about 1876, the family moved to Sproughton, a village three miles west of Ipswich.

By the next census in 1881, the couple had had yet another three children, all girls, born in Sproughton.  William was a miller, employing three men and one boy.  He lived in Sproughton (no address noted) with Mary Ann and their nine children, and one general servant.

In 1891 the address given was the Mill.  I’m assuming it’s the mill house in Sproughton, a photo of which is below (from Flickr) which straddles the river Gipping.

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It’s now a listed building although it has been converted to residences.  I can’t find any history of the actual building apart from physical descriptions.  William and Mary now had seven children living with them, the older ones having married.  William was a miller and farmer, while his youngest son (age 18) was a miller’s assistant.  There were no servants listed, presumably because the daughters were old enough to help out.  William was now 59 years old.  Altogether, the couple had had 14 children!

William died on 24 February 1893 in Sproughton.  The gravestone says he was 59 years old, but as we know he was 59 in 1891, he should have been 61, which tarries with his birth year.

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The probate read

“ROSE William of Sproughton Suffolk miller and farmer died 24 February 1893 Administration Ipswich 28 April to Mary Ann Rose widow Effects £710 6s”

Sources: Google; findmypast; familysearch; probatesearch; genuki.org.uk; suffolkchurches.co.uk; wikipedia; Mendlesham neighbourhood plan History of the Parish

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Mary Kate Reeve was born on 8 March 1866 at 15 Alma Terrace in Ipswich, Suffolk (which no longer exists).  She was born to Gabriel Benjamin Reeve and Hannah Wright, one of 11 children (two boys, nine girls: Emma, Hannah, Sarah, Elizabeth Sarah, Emma Maria, Mary Eliza, John Benjamin, Ruth, Harry Joseph, Mary Kate, Katherine Alice).

Mary Kate was five years old by the time the next census came around.  The family were living at 9 Orford Street in Ipswich (Mary with her parents, and siblings: Hannah, Elizabeth Sarah, Ruth, Harry, and Katherine).  Five children weren’t listed in the census;  Emma, who died age two; Mary, who died age three; Emma Maria; Sarah; and John Benjamin.  I found a Benjamin Reeve, aged 12, as a boarder at Christ Hospital School with 14 other boys of similar age.  I know he hadn’t died, as he appeared in subsequent census returns.  Emma Maria might also have died and Sarah could be confused with Elizabeth Sarah (I wish they hadn’t used the same name for subsequent children). Typically, the residential address listed in the 1871 census is now a carpark.  Here is the view down the street from the approximate position.

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Mary’s father was a merchant’s clerk and her older sister a draper’s assistant.

Ipswich, incidentally, is one of England’s oldest towns, or at least the oldest continuously inhabited town, seemingly beginning with a Roman fort.  One of my favourite painters, Thomas Gainsborough lived and worked in Ipswich, and Dickens’ “Pickwick Papers” is set there.  In the nineteenth century, Ipswich was the centre for the making of agricultural machinery and iron and also of brick-making and brewing.

Ten years later, in 1881, the family were still living at the same address.  Mary lived there with her parents, John B, Sarah, and Katherine (so some confusion with Sarah and Elizabeth Sarah).  Her father was a commercial clerk at the iron foundry, as was her brother, John.  Mary was a linen draper’s assistant.  Mary’s older sister, Sarah, was 28 and unemployed, with a note to say that she was an invalid from birth.  Ruth, not listed, was draper’s assistant at a draper manager’s establishment with 40 other workers. Mary’s older sister, Hannah, was by this time, married and living with her husband, Robert Stammers and three children. I was not able to find the others.  I know that Harry or Joseph was still alive as he appears in subsequent census returns.

Mary Kate met John Rose and they married on 20 June 1887 at the parish church of St Matthew’s in Ipswich.  Two years later, the first of six sons, Harold, was born and they moved to Walton-on-the-Naze in Essex. Three more sons were born in quick succession: Edward 1891, Reginald 1893, and Horace Charles 1894.  The last two sons, Alfred and Donald, were born in 1898 and 1901.  Then came two daughters, Madge and Ruth, in 1905 and 1909.

As mentioned in an earlier post, Edward emigrated to Australia in 1911.  When war broke out, Edward, Reg, HC, and possibly the teenage Alfred enlisted.  It must have been hard for Mary Kate to have four of her sons involved.  (Amazingly all survived and went on to marry and start families.)  Only one of Mary’s children remained in Ipswich.

HC moved to Australia in January 1922.  Mary, John, and the two girls left in November that same year aboard the Euripides.

At first I think they lived at Pendle Hill, New South Wales.  In 1935 they were at 28 Cecil Street in Ashfield, then moved to 33 Kenilworth Street in Croydon.  Again, this is the only photo I have of Mary Kate.  Unfortunately, she’s looking down.

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Thanks to a lack of census information and electoral rolls (I could only find one for 1935), I know nothing more, which is sad.  Mary Kate died at home on 24 July 1951 and her remains were cremated.

 

Sources:  findmypast; Google; Wikipedia; information-britain.co.uk; family archives

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I’m a bit behind schedule with this challenge.  I’m sure I will fall behind several times.  From now there will be less information but I will search for more as I go.

John Edward Rose was born in London on 26 March 1864, at 172 Drury Lane.  Whatever building used to be there is long gone.  Now there’s an ugly office block.  John was the third child (and second son) in a family of 14 children (four sons and 10 daughters)!  John’s parents were William Rose and Mary Ann, née Mudd.  William was a publican at the time of John’s birth and I believe John was born in a pub at that address.  Unfortunately I can’t find any mention of a long-lost pub in Drury Lane.

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Detail of Drury Lane in 1867 map. 172 was between Long Acre and Broad Street

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Another view from an 1860 map.  I think 172 was opposite Brownlow Street.

One more map, as I spent some time looking!

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Detail of insurance map from late 1800s overlaid on top of modern map, so 172 was opposite what is now Betterton Street. No idea what P.H. means – the map and website had no legend

In 1871, John’s father was listed as a miller, employing one man.  They also had a female servant.  They lived at 65 Debenham Road, Henley, Suffolk, which I assume is Crowfield, Ipswich today.  If so, new houses have been built along the road.

In 1881, John was a grocer’s apprentice, living in the village of Sproughton, Suffolk.

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Several of John’s siblings were born in Sproughton.  In 1883 his eldest sister, Fanny, married Frederick Neale in Saxmundham, Suffolk, and another sister was born!  (After their mother died, two of the youngest sisters lived with their eldest brother.)  Four years later, it was John’s turn.  He married Mary Kate Reeve on 20 June 1887 at St Matthew’s, Ipswich.  He was still a grocer’s assistant.

This appears to be the church, now hemmed in by development.

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By 1891 the couple had moved to Walton-on-the-Naze in Essex, living in Waterloo House in High Street, had one son, Harold, and Mary was pregnant with her second.  John was now listed as a grocer (manager).  In 1901 they were living at 43 High Street with the boys.  In 1911 they were still living in High Street with all but one child, HC.  John’s second son, Edward, emigrated to Australia that year (perhaps he was one of the “dreadnought boys“).

War broke out in 1914 and four of John’s six sons enlisted (Edward serving with the Australian Imperial Force).  Thankfully all survived.

In 1921, John and family were living at Valley Lodge, Holland Road, Clacton on Sea.  John seems to have given up being a grocer and become a commercial clerk.  In 1922, John’s fourth son left with new wife to join his brother in Australia.  They must have liked what they experienced, as John, his wife, and the two teenage girls, also departed in November of that year aboard the Euripides.

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The ship arrived in Sydney in December and apparently there were “dreadnought boys” aboard as well.

Initially, I think, they must have stayed with one or both sons in Pendle Hill.  Here is the only photo I have of John Edward, taken from a group photo on his son’s poultry farm.

John

I think he looks a kindly man.  I wish I could have asked my mother or great aunt about him but, alas, I knew nothing about him to even think of asking.

In 1935, John, Mary, and the girls were living at 28 Cecil Street in Ashfield, Sydney.  It’s a block of flats now (of course).  John was listed in that year’s electoral roll as a gardener.  The girls were clerks.

Some time in the late 1930s or early 40s, John and Mary must have moved to 33 Kenilworth Street, a semi-detached house in Croydon (which I’m glad to say still exists).

Unfortunately, that is pretty much all the information I have.  John Edward Rose died on 30 November 1949 at home.  He was 85, a good age.

 

Sources: oldmapsonline.org; census returns; visionofbritain.org.uk; Bury & Norwich Post, 10 Apr 1883; findmypast; family archives; britisharmedforces.org;

 

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