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Staying in Suffolk, I turn to Mary Ann Mudd who was born in 1843 in Creeting St Peter, or West Creeting in Suffolk.  Unfortunately, I don’t have the exact date of birth as I haven’t yet ordered the birth certificate.  Her parents were Thomas Mudd, a farmer, and Eliza Gooch.  Mary Ann was one of nine children, including five boys.

Mary Ann appears, aged 7, in the 1851 census.  The family was living at Grove farm.  Grove farm today is either owned by Poundfield Products Ltd, a concrete product supplier, or by EO who work in the electrical vehicle charging industry, or both.  Both give their address as Grove Farm, Creeting St Peter, Suffolk.  Another company, Alfabloc Ltd, are registered at this address.


Google streetview from entrance to Grove Farm

In 2013, there was a proposal to make the farm a solar farm and, of course, “NIMBY“s didn’t want that (lower the property prices, etc, etc).  It looks like they may have won as there’s no sign of solar panels in Google earth view.  Poundfield Products have also caused ire because of garish cranes.  It’s the pity the farm is no longer just a normal farm.

By the next census, Mary Ann had married William Rose, on 3 April 1860, and moved to Framlingham where William had a mill.  One newspaper notice said the wedding took place at Creeting St Peter’s and another at Creeting St Mary’s church (just down the road).


It looks to be a nice little church with some lovely stained-glass windows.  Mary Ann was only 17 and William 11 years older.  One wonders how they met.

Mary Ann got pregnant almost immediately and their first child, Fanny Emma, is listed in the 1861 census. Mary Ann’s mother, Eliza, and older sister, Susan, were visiting when the census was taken.

The following year Mary Ann gave birth to their first son, William Mudd Rose.  Something took the couple to London between 1862 and 1867, their second son, John Edward, being born there in 1864.  William senior became a publican in Drury Lane.  They weren’t there long and had moved back to Suffolk where the third son, Charles Robert, was born somewhere in the Bosmere registration district (perhaps Henley).

In 1868, Mary Ann gave birth to her fifth child, a daughter, called Mary Anne.  Sadly, the girl died in September of the following year.  Another daughter, Bessie Emily, was born in 1870.  In the 1871 census the family of seven were living in Henley, William senior a miller.

The following year the fourth son, George Thomas, was born, and two years after that, another daughter, Susannah Ellen, then the following year yet another daughter, Florence Eva.  The couple now had nine surviving children, Mary Ann being almost constantly pregnant.  But they didn’t stop there.

The family moved to Sproughton, Suffolk, where William senior was still a miller.  Between 1876 and 1885 (when Mary Ann was 42) five more girls were born:  Maud Alice, Kate Beatrice, Mabel Mary, Millicent Gertrude, and Ethel Grace.  Incredible.  I don’t have details of when the children died but certainly ten of them lived to adulthood.  I can’t find deaths for Fanny (who married Fred Neale), Bessie, Susannah, Kate, Mabel (who possibly married very late, to Harold Clarke), Millicent, and Ethel.  It’s hard to know if the girls married.

Mary Ann’s husband, William, died in 1893 in Sproughton.  Sometime after that Mary Ann moved to Badley, Suffolk.  I’m assuming that she moved in with her son, William, who was a corn miller and farmer in Badley (but from what date, I don’t know).

Mary Ann died on 13 April 1900, aged just 57.


Ipswich Journal, 21 April 1900


The Mill House, Badley, Suffolk

The probate reads

ROSE Mary Ann of Badley Mill Suffolk widow died 13 April 1900 probate Ipswich 6 July to George Thomas Rose miller Effects £1240 10s 6d

Sources: familysearch; findmypast; Google;; probatesearch; family archives





Back to Suffolk, where William Rose was born in Mendlesham to John Rose and Susannah Ford.  He was baptised on 11 March 1832 in Mendlesham.  He was the eldest of seven children (as far as I know) and had four brothers and two sisters.

Mendlesham is a small village in mid-Suffolk of a population of about 1,400.  It used to be a market town.  It was mentioned in the Domesday book in 1086 as Melnessam.  I presume therefore that the name is pronounced “Mendlesam” and not with the sh sound as I had previously thought.



I would suppose that William was baptised in the church of St Mary, which was founded in 1558.


In 1841 the family of six were living in Market Street.  This is a Google streetview photo of “Old Market Street”, which I assume is the same street.


No occupation is recorded for William’s father in the 1841 census.

In 1851 the family of nine were listed as living in Back Street, which, apparently, is Old Market Street (parallel to Front Street).  Living with them was John Foster, a business partner of William’s father who was a miller, baker, and farmer.  William was 19 and working as a miller.

By 1860, William had moved to Framlingham to the south-east of Mendlesham.  He married Mary Ann Mudd at Creeting St Peter (to the south-west of Mendlesham) on 3 April 1860.


The notice below gives a little more information:


So William was running a steam mill in Framlingham, and married at his fiancée’s home town.  Here’s a map of the region, showing the three towns.


Framlingham was also a market town (or village) of about 2000 people, mentioned in the Domesday Book.  It even has a 12th century castle, so has an interesting history.

The couple’s first child, Fanny, was born in 1861, before the next census.  William, Mary Ann, and Fanny, were living in Well Close Square in Framlingham.  It appears to be a short, slightly curved street.


At the time of the census the family had two visitors – Mary Ann’s mother and older sister.  William was indeed a miller employing two men and two boys.  An apprentice and a servant were included in the census.

Between the 1861 census and 1871, the family had moved to London, where William was a publican in Drury Lane, and then to Henley, back in Suffolk.  By then, the couple had had five more children (three of them boys), but a little girl, named after her mother, had died at the age of one in 1869.  In the 1871 census, William was a master miller, employing one man (who was boarding with them), and the family lived in Debenham Road, in the parish of Henley, with one servant.


St Peters, Henley, where some of Williams children were christened, and one buried

By 1875, the couple had another three children (including another boy).  In about 1876, the family moved to Sproughton, a village three miles west of Ipswich.

By the next census in 1881, the couple had had yet another three children, all girls, born in Sproughton.  William was a miller, employing three men and one boy.  He lived in Sproughton (no address noted) with Mary Ann and their nine children, and one general servant.

In 1891 the address given was the Mill.  I’m assuming it’s the mill house in Sproughton, a photo of which is below (from Flickr) which straddles the river Gipping.


It’s now a listed building although it has been converted to residences.  I can’t find any history of the actual building apart from physical descriptions.  William and Mary now had seven children living with them, the older ones having married.  William was a miller and farmer, while his youngest son (age 18) was a miller’s assistant.  There were no servants listed, presumably because the daughters were old enough to help out.  William was now 59 years old.  Altogether, the couple had had 14 children!

William died on 24 February 1893 in Sproughton.  The gravestone says he was 59 years old, but as we know he was 59 in 1891, he should have been 61, which tarries with his birth year.


The probate read

“ROSE William of Sproughton Suffolk miller and farmer died 24 February 1893 Administration Ipswich 28 April to Mary Ann Rose widow Effects £710 6s”

Sources: Google; findmypast; familysearch; probatesearch;;; wikipedia; Mendlesham neighbourhood plan History of the Parish


I’m a bit behind schedule with this challenge.  I’m sure I will fall behind several times.  From now there will be less information but I will search for more as I go.

John Edward Rose was born in London on 26 March 1864, at 172 Drury Lane.  Whatever building used to be there is long gone.  Now there’s an ugly office block.  John was the third child (and second son) in a family of 14 children (four sons and 10 daughters)!  John’s parents were William Rose and Mary Ann, née Mudd.  William was a publican at the time of John’s birth and I believe John was born in a pub at that address.  Unfortunately I can’t find any mention of a long-lost pub in Drury Lane.


Detail of Drury Lane in 1867 map. 172 was between Long Acre and Broad Street


Another view from an 1860 map.  I think 172 was opposite Brownlow Street.

One more map, as I spent some time looking!


Detail of insurance map from late 1800s overlaid on top of modern map, so 172 was opposite what is now Betterton Street. No idea what P.H. means – the map and website had no legend

In 1871, John’s father was listed as a miller, employing one man.  They also had a female servant.  They lived at 65 Debenham Road, Henley, Suffolk, which I assume is Crowfield, Ipswich today.  If so, new houses have been built along the road.

In 1881, John was a grocer’s apprentice, living in the village of Sproughton, Suffolk.


Several of John’s siblings were born in Sproughton.  In 1883 his eldest sister, Fanny, married Frederick Neale in Saxmundham, Suffolk, and another sister was born!  (After their mother died, two of the youngest sisters lived with their eldest brother.)  Four years later, it was John’s turn.  He married Mary Kate Reeve on 20 June 1887 at St Matthew’s, Ipswich.  He was still a grocer’s assistant.

This appears to be the church, now hemmed in by development.


By 1891 the couple had moved to Walton-on-the-Naze in Essex, living in Waterloo House in High Street, had one son, Harold, and Mary was pregnant with her second.  John was now listed as a grocer (manager).  In 1901 they were living at 43 High Street with the boys.  In 1911 they were still living in High Street with all but one child, HC.  John’s second son, Edward, emigrated to Australia that year (perhaps he was one of the “dreadnought boys“).

War broke out in 1914 and four of John’s six sons enlisted (Edward serving with the Australian Imperial Force).  Thankfully all survived.

In 1921, John and family were living at Valley Lodge, Holland Road, Clacton on Sea.  John seems to have given up being a grocer and become a commercial clerk.  In 1922, John’s fourth son left with new wife to join his brother in Australia.  They must have liked what they experienced, as John, his wife, and the two teenage girls, also departed in November of that year aboard the Euripides.


The ship arrived in Sydney in December and apparently there were “dreadnought boys” aboard as well.

Initially, I think, they must have stayed with one or both sons in Pendle Hill.  Here is the only photo I have of John Edward, taken from a group photo on his son’s poultry farm.


I think he looks a kindly man.  I wish I could have asked my mother or great aunt about him but, alas, I knew nothing about him to even think of asking.

In 1935, John, Mary, and the girls were living at 28 Cecil Street in Ashfield, Sydney.  It’s a block of flats now (of course).  John was listed in that year’s electoral roll as a gardener.  The girls were clerks.

Some time in the late 1930s or early 40s, John and Mary must have moved to 33 Kenilworth Street, a semi-detached house in Croydon (which I’m glad to say still exists).

Unfortunately, that is pretty much all the information I have.  John Edward Rose died on 30 November 1949 at home.  He was 85, a good age.


Sources:; census returns;; Bury & Norwich Post, 10 Apr 1883; findmypast; family archives;;